No Debate ?

We leave this message / news story we received last night here without amendment/ further comment . In the interest of public debate we look forward to publishing a response from Wirral Council or any other interested parties :

MYSTERY PERSON GAGS GIRTRELL COURT CAMPAIGNERS

In a shock move, Monday’s vote on the future of Girtrell Court has been thrown into doubt after the Town Hall’s ‘Head of Legal Services’, Surjit Tour, invoked a clause in the Council’s Constitution to close down debate.

A formal ‘Notice of Motion’ had been submitted within the established legal timescales by Councillors Chris Blakeley and Bruce Berry (reproduced below).

Calling for a rethink on the closure plan, both councillors also requested that the future of Wirral Council’s last remaining respite centre to be decided in public.

Having been listed in the agenda for Monday’s council meeting as ‘to be debated’ (see this link: http://democracy.wirral.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=123&MId=5138), the Head of Legal Services has now mounted a last-ditch attempt to prevent the debate.

Councillor Blakeley said: “This attempt to stop debate in public wouldn’t be out of place some tin pot dictatorship.

“In spite of the promises to be ‘open and transparent’, we are once again seeing how the closure of Girtrell Court is now so toxic for the Town Hall they don’t even want it debated.

“Ten days ago, the Head of Legal Services accepted our notice for debate as legal, accurate and within agreed timescales, under the Constitution.

“Yet, here we are, on the eve of a vote, and suddenly we are told that it can’t be debated.”

In an email on Friday to Councillor Blakeley, Mr Tour said he had ‘received a query’ as to whether the debate should go ahead.

Councillor Blakeley added: “Who is the unnamed mystery person who has queried this debate and who appears to have so much influence that the debate can be stopped? We must be told.

“Instead of scratching around the bowels of the Council for a way out of this mess, the Town Hall should accept they have got it wrong, misjudged public opinion and stop the closure. That would be fair to the families and would be supported by councillors, the staff and trade unions.”

  1. GIRTRELL COURT (to be debated)

Proposed by Cllr Chris Blakeley

Seconded by Cllr Bruce Berry  

Council notes that the Leader of the Council has previously stated that he wants his Administration to be open, transparent and fair with the people of Wirral. Council welcomes this approach.  

Council therefore believes that the future of Girtrell Court must be decided in public and not under delegation to the portfolio holder, in conjunction with the Director of Adult Social Services.  

Council further believes that the families of those using Girtrell Court, the staff, trade unions and residents and users must be given every opportunity to influence the future of Girtrell Court through a clear and transparent decision making process.

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13 thoughts on “No Debate ?

  1. G’day Lordy

    My campaign is now in motion

    IF THEY VOTED TO CLOSE LYNDALE AND GIRTRELL COURT

    DON’T VOTE FOR THEM

    Ooroo

    James

    I can’t think of anything rude or insulting enough to say about Sir Git “The Shyster” he is even beneath “Ankles” Forkus.

    Luv your work and timely information they might even learn to be open, honest and transparent from you My Worshipfull Master. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Instead of them being the crass crud that they are.

  2. Tory Councillors bemoaning cuts to social care. Hahaha is the irony compleatly lost on them??
    Like Hitler bemoaning the lack of synagogue’s.

    • Hi Burt
      We try to remain politically neutral and we too deplore cuts in public services. However we understand that a) Councils have been given monies by central government specifically for social care b) the Girtrell Court proposal is allegedly not about cuts but is ideologically driven and about “choice”.
      For several reasons we’re not sure the Hitler analogy works or is appropriate . As Godwin’s Law states that as an online discussion progesses , it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler or the Nazis. When such an event occurs, the person guilty of invoking Godwin’s Law forfeits the argument.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

      • G’day Lordly

        How’s about then “Phil the Very Very Deluded Dill” bemoaning the lack of asset strippers within the clowncil?

        He’s lost AdderleyDadderleyDooLally, “The Chamber Potty” “The Garbage Lady” “Greg Norman” “Ugh Boots”, Dave Garry and Beverley Edwards.

        I presume soon to be gone “Humpty Dumpty” “The Shyster” and his ill legal department cronies and “Legweak” who also knew of Lockwood.

        Ooroo

        James

        See Lordsville I didn’t even mention that German they all luv to hate with a passion……………..Jurgen Klopp

      • Yes indeed, I’m sure just like the NHS the Govt are fundinging it extremely “well”.

        I didn’t call anyone a Hitler. I made an (I thought) amusing, but apt comparisson between a couple of right wing political parties. Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate, but anyway I digress. In the intrests of political fairness………..

        Like a banker bemonaing financial greed/bonus culture/lax regulation/power of political lobby groups.

  3. “Adult social care budgets have been cut by £4.6bnn in the last five years. There can be no getting away from the simple truth that the demand for and cost of providing social care significantly exceeds the money being made available by government”

    “Financial pressures on councils such as the national living wage are leaving social care “at breaking point” despite the government’s new council tax precept, the Local Government Association (LGA) has warned.
    Analysis by the LGA shows that 143 of England’s 152 social care authorities are considering or have approved introducing the 2% council tax precept by 2016-17, raising a total of £372m. However, almost all this money could be spent on additional costs such as increasing home and residential care providers’ wages in line with the new national living wage, which the LGA estimates will cost at least £330m.”

    – That’s in the first two articles I found on funding for social care.

    • We don’t deny the cuts – we acknowledged that.
      The demand for and cost of providing social care has always exceeded the money made available by government.It’s a reflection of the country’s priorities.Social care is a mess and in a much worse state than NHS . However the NHS is much higher profile and has a large degree of public support. Sadly social care doesn’t have the same profile or support.
      As far as we’re concerned LGA are part of the problem. Consultants and local government gurus making big money (which could be spent on frontline services) bemoaning the fact that there isn’t enough money to be spent on frontline services !.

      • Hear, f*cking hear.
        My thoughts exactly.

        Somebody I know saw the Burgess ostentatious white BMW in a Liverpool McDonald’s car park with the great man inside, chewing on a power breakfast Big Mac.

        As they haven’t got a clue how to behave or what to do with their ill-gotten public money fortunes, let’s halve their salaries.

  4. Lordsly

    As the campaign manager you will have to lift your game you forgot to mention to Harry Seacombe above

    IF THEY VOTED TO CLOSE LYNDALE AND GIRTRELL COURT

    DON’T VOTE FOR THEM

    Ooroo

    James

    Still luv ya though L. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

  5. Lordy Don’t Forget

    IF THEY VOTED TO CLOSE LYNDALE AND GIRTRELL COURT

    DON’T VOTE FOR THEM

    IF THEY VOTED TO CLOSE LYNDALE AND GIRTRELL COURT

    DON’T VOTE FOR THEM

    IF THEY VOTED TO CLOSE LYNDALE AND GIRTRELL COURT

    DON’T VOTE FOR THEM

    IF THEY VOTED TO CLOSE LYNDALE AND GIRTRELL COURT

    DON’T VOTE FOR THEM

    Luv ya to the moon and back Leaky XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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